How A 'Lord Of The Rings' And 'Harry Potter' Theory Connects The Franchises

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Jeanette White

Jeanette White

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Let’s be real. There likely would be no Harry Potter without The Lord of the Rings. J. R. R. Tolkien’s first book in the series, The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, debuted in 1954 and changed the fantasy genre as the world knew it. From the colorful hillsides of The Shire to the fiery, blackened mountainsides of Mount Doom, no one delivers intricate worldbuilding with sprawling history and invented languages quite like Tolkien. Flash forward 43 years later, and J. K. Rowling’s Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone takes the world by storm in a similar way. Both remain two of the biggest fantasy franchises out there—and the similarities between them have sparked no shortage of fan theories.

However, one, in particular, aims to answer one of The Lord of the Rings’ biggest secrets: What happened to the Blue Wizards? Well, according to a compelling theory (largely popularized by a now-deleted Reddit user), they’re roaming the halls of Hogwarts and the seedy underbelly of the Wizarding World as Dumbledore and Grindelwald.

A LOTR Theory Connects The Blue Wizards To Harry Potter

Anyone needing a quick refresher on the Blue Wizards must turn to the Third Age. To combat Sauron, the Valar (angelic beings working beneath the god Eru Ilúvata) sent five other angelic beings called Maiar to Middle-earth. Later, they took the form of Wizards and the names Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, Alatar, and Pallando. Those familiar with Pete Jackson’s The Lord of the Rings trilogy (or Tolkien’s text) know the first two well, while Radagast got his time to shine in The Hobbit movies. However, Alatar and Pallando never got their shot on the big screen because they essentially disappeared in the books.

All that’s known about the two Blue Wizards is that they wandered East, never to be seen again. However, Wizards are immortal unless killed. This fact suggests that LOTR’s most mysterious characters could have lived into the modern age, and given that Middle-earth is an imaginary history of Earth, that puts Harry Potter in the same mythological timeline, just much later down the road. It’s also worth noting that the Maiar can change their physical forms when desired (Sauron, also a Maiar, does this frequently), which could explain Grindelwald’s shapeshifting ability, despite LOTR and Harry Potter's differing magic systems. 

Dumbledore And Grindelwald Are The Blue Wizards

Come Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone, we get a whole lot of Dumbledore. For the next five movies (and books), he makes protecting Hogwarts and its students from Voldemort his top priority. While the villain has changed, the mission hasn’t: protecting the free peoples of Middle-earth from the ultimate evil—and yeah, like Sauron, Voldemort is pretty evil. Just like Gandalf couldn’t one-on-one with Sauron, Dumbledor was never meant to take down Voldemort alone. Instead, his involvement was supposed to be indirect by teaching the Hogwarts student body, and especially Harry, how to defeat him.

With his mission complete with his death in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, the Wizard leaves his Earthly body, returning to the Valar and perhaps earning a promotion. After all, the next time Harry sees Dumbledore in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2, he is surrounded by ethereal light and decked out in grayish white, similar to Gandalf after his Balrog resurrection and promotion in The Two Towers.

In the opposite corner is Grindelwald, whose story really only gets the spotlight in the Fantastic Beasts film series. Sent to Middle-earth with the same mission as Dumbledore, Grindelwald takes a different path. Much like Saruman, he believes that power—even dark and evil—can be used for the “greater good.” In this case, Grindelwald just happens to feel that the greater good involves ruling over Muggles (humans). Dumbledor puts a stop to it in Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore before the bigger, badder evil of Voldemort takes him out completely (Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 depicts the scene, slightly altered from the book). This, of course, would mean that Saruman wasn’t the only Maiar to fail the Valar. One of the Blue Wizards, aka Grindelwald, did, too—at least according to this theory.

However, the theory also makes the Valar’s interventions more successful. As it stands, Gandalf was the only Maiar to truly complete his mission: Sauron turned, Radagast fell to the wayside, and the Blue Wizards dipped out. However, if one of the Blue Wizards was actually Dumbledor, then he also succeeded in the fight against evil, just at a very different point in history. Grindelwald might have fallen, but good ultimately prevailed in the end.   

Is Lord of the Rings Actually Connected to Harry Potter? 

The short answer is no. There is no confirmation from Rowling that the Harry Potter Universe shares space with The Lord of the Rings, and Tolkien passed away decades before Harry Potter hit shelves.

Plus, both Dumbledore and Grindelwald have families, which throws a wrench in the whole idea that they dropped down onto Middle-earth in the Third Age, naked and alone. Still, it’s a fun idea that certainly works to explain what happened to the Blue Wizards since not even Tolkien had an explanation for their disappearance.

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  1. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring

    # 1

    Young hobbit Frodo Baggins, after inheriting a mysterious ring from his uncle Bilbo, must leave his home in order to keep it from falling into the hands of its evil creator. Along the way, a fellowship is formed to protect the ringbearer and make sure that the ring arrives at its final destination: Mt. Doom, the only place where it can be destroyed.

  2. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers

    # 2

    Frodo Baggins and the other members of the Fellowship continue on their sacred quest to destroy the One Ring--but on separate paths. Their destinies lie at two towers--Orthanc Tower in Isengard, where the corrupt wizard Saruman awaits, and Sauron's fortress at Barad-dur, deep within the dark lands of Mordor. Frodo and Sam are trekking to Mordor to destroy the One Ring of Power while Gimli, Legolas and Aragorn search for the orc-captured Merry and Pippin. All along, nefarious wizard Saruman awaits the Fellowship members at the Orthanc Tower in Isengard.

  3. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King

    # 3

    As armies mass for a final battle that will decide the fate of the world--and powerful, ancient forces of Light and Dark compete to determine the outcome--one member of the Fellowship of the Ring is revealed as the noble heir to the throne of the Kings of Men. Yet, the sole hope for triumph over evil lies with a brave hobbit, Frodo, who, accompanied by his loyal friend Sam and the hideous, wretched Gollum, ventures deep into the very dark heart of Mordor on his seemingly impossible quest to destroy the Ring of Power.​

  4. The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey

    # 4

    A reluctant hobbit, Bilbo Baggins, sets out to the Lonely Mountain with a spirited group of dwarves to reclaim their mountain home - and the gold within it - from the dragon Smaug.

  5. The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug

    # 5

    The Dwarves, Bilbo and Gandalf have successfully escaped the Misty Mountains, and Bilbo has gained the One Ring. They all continue their journey to get their gold back from the Dragon, Smaug.

  6. The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

    # 6

    Following Smaug's attack on Laketown, Bilbo and the dwarves try to defend Erebor's mountain of treasure from others who claim it: the men of the ruined Laketown and the elves of Mirkwood. Meanwhile an army of Orcs led by Azog the Defiler is marching on Erebor, fueled by the rise of the dark lord Sauron. Dwarves, elves and men must unite, and the hope for Middle-Earth falls into Bilbo's hands.

  7. Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone

    # 7

    Harry Potter has lived under the stairs at his aunt and uncle's house his whole life. But on his 11th birthday, he learns he's a powerful wizard—with a place waiting for him at the Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. As he learns to harness his newfound powers with the help of the school's kindly headmaster, Harry uncovers the truth about his parents' deaths—and about the villain who's to blame.

  8. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets

    # 8

    Cars fly, trees fight back, and a mysterious house-elf comes to warn Harry Potter at the start of his second year at Hogwarts. Adventure and danger await when bloody writing on a wall announces: The Chamber Of Secrets Has Been Opened. To save Hogwarts will require all of Harry, Ron and Hermione’s magical abilities and courage.

  9. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban

    # 9

    Year three at Hogwarts means new fun and challenges as Harry learns the delicate art of approaching a Hippogriff, transforming shape-shifting Boggarts into hilarity and even turning back time. But the term also brings danger: soul-sucking Dementors hover over the school, an ally of the accursed He-Who-Cannot-Be-Named lurks within the castle walls, and fearsome wizard Sirius Black escapes Azkaban. And Harry will confront them all.

  10. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

    # 10

    When Harry Potter's name emerges from the Goblet of Fire, he becomes a competitor in a grueling battle for glory among three wizarding schools—the Triwizard Tournament. But since Harry never submitted his name for the Tournament, who did? Now Harry must confront a deadly dragon, fierce water demons and an enchanted maze only to find himself in the cruel grasp of He Who Must Not Be Named.

  11. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

    # 11

    Returning for his fifth year of study at Hogwarts, Harry is stunned to find that his warnings about the return of Lord Voldemort have been ignored. Left with no choice, Harry takes matters into his own hands, training a small group of students to defend themselves against the dark arts.

  12. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince

    # 12

    As Lord Voldemort tightens his grip on both the Muggle and wizarding worlds, Hogwarts is no longer a safe haven. Harry suspects perils may even lie within the castle, but Dumbledore is more intent upon preparing him for the final battle fast approaching. Together they work to find the key to unlock Voldemorts defenses and to this end, Dumbledore recruits his old friend and colleague Horace Slughorn, whom he believes holds crucial information. Even as the decisive showdown looms, romance blossoms for Harry, Ron, Hermione and their classmates. Love is in the air, but danger lies ahead and Hogwarts may never be the same again.

  13. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1

    # 13

    Harry, Ron and Hermione walk away from their last year at Hogwarts to find and destroy the remaining Horcruxes, putting an end to Voldemort's bid for immortality. But with Harry's beloved Dumbledore dead and Voldemort's unscrupulous Death Eaters on the loose, the world is more dangerous than ever.

  14. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2

    # 14

    Harry, Ron and Hermione continue their quest to vanquish the evil Voldemort once and for all. Just as things begin to look hopeless for the young wizards, Harry discovers a trio of magical objects that endow him with powers to rival Voldemort's formidable skills.

  15. Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

    # 15

    In 1926, Newt Scamander arrives at the Magical Congress of the United States of America with a magically expanded briefcase, which houses a number of dangerous creatures and their habitats. When the creatures escape from the briefcase, it sends the American wizarding authorities after Newt, and threatens to strain even further the state of magical and non-magical relations.

  16. Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald

    # 16

    Gellert Grindelwald has escaped imprisonment and has begun gathering followers to his cause—elevating wizards above all non-magical beings. The only one capable of putting a stop to him is the wizard he once called his closest friend, Albus Dumbledore. However, Dumbledore will need to seek help from the wizard who had thwarted Grindelwald once before, his former student Newt Scamander, who agrees to help, unaware of the dangers that lie ahead. Lines are drawn as love and loyalty are tested, even among the truest friends and family, in an increasingly divided wizarding world.

  17. Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore

    # 17

    Professor Albus Dumbledore knows the powerful, dark wizard Gellert Grindelwald is moving to seize control of the wizarding world. Unable to stop him alone, he entrusts magizoologist Newt Scamander to lead an intrepid team of wizards and witches. They soon encounter an array of old and new beasts as they clash with Grindelwald's growing legion of followers.